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Recorded in the back of a legal retail Cannabis dispensary . Sean & Charlie Kady - owners, explore the Canadian cannabis market with Industry leaders, master growers, product innovators and experts in hash, extracts, beverages and a whole lot of weed.
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Are you ready to embark on a captivating journey into the world of cannabis with our special guests Rahul and Mike from Noodz?
We're spilling the tea on their innovative partnership, resulting in the creation of groundbreaking products, including the first THC and CBD chewing gum in Canada. Discover their state-of-the-art facility in Mill Creek and their unwavering dedication to top-tier cannabis production, course grind and best burning pre-roll in the market.
Ever wondered about the intricacies of advertising laws in the cannabis industry and their impact on enterprise growth? In this episode, we unravel this complex issue, discussing the challenges faced by dispensaries in drawing new clients and the power of knowledgeable staff in this scenario. As we share our experiences with different cannabis strains, we shed light on the perks of variety, the hurdles of meeting regulatory demands, and the art of integrating customer feedback to deliver on excellence. As a cherry on top, we also reveal exciting upcoming releases for our cannabis connoisseurs.
Our conversation takes an interesting turn as we hear from two individuals who transitioned from the hospitality industry to owning a cannabis company.
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Speaker 2:Good morning. I'm Sean, I'm Charlie and this is Higher Orbit. I love these morning episodes. I'm on like my third cup of coffee. I'm so jacked. You know he's killing me with the. I had to open it with the. I love it. I love my coffee, oz. We got a couple of great guests in the house. They're actually our first selected guests Well, not selected. Like we obviously want to have everybody that we have on the show, that's not so terrible. But we actually were like saw this nudes weed. We're like who the fuck are these guys? Where did they come from? And where is this fucking fire weed coming from? And we found out it was from Wellcan and our good friends Raul and Mike. Welcome to the show, boys.
Speaker 3:Thank you yeah.
Speaker 2:I always put your last name, so I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 3:If you want to say it, you'll have to try it, lanzalone.
Speaker 4:Lanzalone. I normally say Mike Lanzalone, but you know my Italian peeps out there would be pissed if I say it anyway. And what, raul, rajan, rajan.
Speaker 1:There we go. Well, welcome boys. You actually guys did very well on the first name basis. Man. Americans can't pronounce H for the life of them.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, right, that always fucks them up, I guess Raul.
Speaker 1:Raul, raul. I have to introduce myself in US as Raul. I never could say Raul, oh I still call him Raul.
Speaker 2:I get that all the time, raul. I get seen because I'm the SCAN, so I get that a lot. I feel like you know everyone. Once in a while they're like is it Ra, hul Ra?
Speaker 4:Raul in the house, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyways, welcome guys. Well, tell us a little bit about Nudes and what you guys are all about, and I guess, more well-can. I guess We'll start there. Sure, how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I started on the compliance and regulation side. So I don't know if you guys remember CCI. They did all the license applications for Health Canada for the no no.
Speaker 1:Okay, cci was the biggest consulting company in cannabis anywhere in the world, so I started with them, got it so 11 years ago. So we did. I would say 300, 400 licenses are operational today through CCI in Canada. Yeah, so it was like one of the biggest firms. So for us, welcome came to us for licensing. That's how we knew them. The initial idea was that they wanted to be innovative LP, so that's why we brought in the first chewing gum with THC and CBD. We're the only manufacturers in Canada, by the way. Yeah, not even a traditional chewing gum manufacturer exists, right, so we were bringing the equipment from Europe. Our gum bases are from Europe, but that was the only product they had, you know. So when we started our first LP Green Gold in Mississauga yeah, so we were manufacturing for Ghost Trap Cookies. We sold that one and we were looking for a new home. Welkin was at home because they didn't have any flour skews. They didn't have any dry flour pre-roll product or anything like that. It was all addable. That's it Got it.
Speaker 1:So we got our license and we're like listen, we got your license, we've known you for five, six years already. We brought you into Green Gold. You looked at how we do things. So it was a great partnership, man, incredible. Yeah, we started and I would say within four months we had Don Jackson. We had, you know, faro Crofts already in the mix. Right, we had a few different brands that we brought on board. Yeah and yeah, man, since March it's sort of picked up.
Speaker 3:Just to give, like nude, some backgrounds. It's actually grown out of Mill Creek and it's actually under the Mill Creek license, so we package it at Welkin, but it's actually grown out of the facility in Mill Creek.
Speaker 4:In Mill Creek on Darrell, near Cambridge, yeah, probably the best facility you're going to see Like.
Speaker 3:that place is spectacular.
Speaker 2:And shout out who's the master grower over there at Nunes Darrell.
Speaker 3:Darrell, he was supposed to be here but you know he had other plants to trim, I suppose.
Speaker 4:Darrell, welcome to you. We're invited. We've got to come check out this Absolutely, man, and I will say this I mean it's not just because they're partners of ours.
Speaker 1:I've seen 150, 160 facilities in Canada. Yeah, Done a lot of tours right. Probably the best facility I've seen in the world for cannabis cultivation. Like you can lick the floor just that clean.
Speaker 3:Plus, it's on 168 acres. It's like this beautiful spot. It used to be a horse breeding going on there. So you like drive into it and you're like there's a Rolls Royce I mean Rolex watch there. And you're like, wow, what have I shown up here? And then you go into this facility and I swear you could actually have a wedding inside this. Like you walk into the reception, it's huge, it's beautiful man, they really put a lot of time and effort into it.
Speaker 2:Fantastic. Yeah, how do you guys grow? Is it rock wool? It's all indoor.
Speaker 1:Small rooms, 800,000 square feet, and it's HPS. We haven't tried, you know, led HID. We do experiment with them. Most of our strains just don't work well with it.
Speaker 2:No, you're getting good results, absolutely.
Speaker 3:We got Darrell who's a 20 year legacy grower, and then we have an actual doctor of agriculture from Germany. That's come down and on site. So we got these two guys, like you know, dialing it in and they're putting fire out. Man, they're really good.
Speaker 1:And funny. I don't know if you guys know Darrell and Drew at Carmel. Yeah, they were buddies. They used to grow since they were 15 years old. Oh no, they're shit, yeah Drew got hired by Carmel Darrell got hired by Mill Creek.
Speaker 2:That was the only thing, but they're still doing their thing, just like at different places, different places.
Speaker 1:They're doing the same. You know good quality growing right.
Speaker 4:How many strains do you guys grow at Mill Creek and like plants at a time, if you know off the top of your head?
Speaker 3:Oh, right now we're phenyl hunting. Right now there's probably 40 phenyl hunts going on at the same time and then probably I would say seven, eight different actual growth strains that are growing. Yeah, strings that are being produced on for, for actual, you know, clients and brands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, our phenyl hunts are. That's what we really like, because most of the genetics are in-house in breeding, like in-house breeding as well. So we, on a consistent basis, have 40, 50 new genetics popping in and we find one or two that we like and then just sort of move on because the genetics are so freaking unique and good. That's why we came in with rotational skis. We want people to try those out and let us know which one they like so we can, you know, ask for a proper listing with it. So, dom Jackson, you know they just launched on Monday their rotational ski Nudes. We will be coming out with rotational ski in January.
Speaker 2:Is Banjo. Is that the new rotational for the?
Speaker 3:Dom Jackson no, no, no. Many cookies for now, many cookies yeah. The Banjo is already in market with a three half gram pre-roll.
Speaker 4:Cool yeah that's been moving. That was saying we should probably look at that we're orange turfs.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't even say yeah, because it has more to Christmas. Hey, christmas is coming up.
Speaker 2:Man, it's one of my favorites, it's orange baby. There you go. That sounds awesome, noah, check that out 100%.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was going to say too, and it's, I don't think, very common. Hopefully Mike's cool with that. I think he said it on the podcast. Mike Hasho, yeah, he had nothing but good things to say about this.
Speaker 2:When he came out he was like who the fuck is these Nudes guys?
Speaker 4:He was like it's fire Sean.
Speaker 3:We were worried at first when we started watching that clip and then we were like pleasantly surprised. We're like, yes, this guy knows what's up.
Speaker 4:He likes it a lot and he usually is not the kindest. I shouldn't say he's not the kindest, he's the kindest, he's picky. Exactly 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a few run-ins with him when we were doing four ghost drops. I think we had gold right.
Speaker 2:So he got it.
Speaker 1:Launching his dispensary. He came into the site. He actually didn't know we were doing the Nudes.
Speaker 2:So he was pleasantly surprised when he found out it was you guys. I hope so it really was.
Speaker 1:But we didn't want to be the face of the brand itself. We wanted the product to do the talking. But you realize you have to promote, Without that you just can't make a dent in it. Definitely helps.
Speaker 2:Do you guys have a favorite? What's your favorite? The jungle fire or the gas face?
Speaker 3:I like the gas face I like the sativa leaning, Even the only. It's a head high. It's uplifting. It gets you, if I can fire it up, that you can actually do some work. I like to actually do some work or be able to be functional. When I smoke my weed, that's what I find. Gas face. The jungle fire I like, but it's like if I smoke the jungle fire I'm hitting the couch.
Speaker 2:It's a little more of a day over for you. Yeah, I want to watch a movie or chill out. It's a nice bag. It's got a really nice bag. Oh, there you go. I'll take it now. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The gas face is my favorite as well, because it has a decent percentage of CBG, so it does give you that sativa feel to it. But there's that nose in this that you don't get on. It has that marshmallow smell to it.
Speaker 2:It's very rare to find. I love that Interesting. I kind of agree with you guys there was a sweet mess.
Speaker 4:I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I'm going to check it out. I'm going to pass it over and roll something up.
Speaker 4:I was going to say have you guys ever considered adding a little bit more of that like Turp? Count those minor cannabinoids. We're changing all of it all.
Speaker 1:We just created a template. It will be very similar to what you guys see on organic craft. So Turpenes lineage, minor cannabinoids if we find some good ones. But yeah, you'll get full Turpenes lineage on all of our labels. Moving forward.
Speaker 4:That is funny. I did get the marshmallow. I agree. I like that. I love super obscure descriptors. It's the best way to sell weed If people come in and I'll be like buddy. This smells like the bottom of Mechanics, oily Ford.
Speaker 3:I'll take it. I love that. It sounds so good.
Speaker 1:I do find weed, especially nowadays, first quality in Canada is getting ridiculously good.
Speaker 2:It's pretty much bad. It would come a far away, haven't we Very much so?
Speaker 1:man, from the first days, even in the medical side, and to what we're pushing out now. It's unbelievably good. I actually forgot what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:The quality is there. The quality is there. Industry moving forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, again, I legit forgot what I was going to say. I'll come back to you, man.
Speaker 4:I guess that is an interesting question. So you said to work for CCI yes, I don't know what that stands for. You said cannabis compliance Inc. Okay, so you've been in this industry for a while now.
Speaker 1:Yes, eleven years, man, we again. Canopy Aurora. All those guys initially came to us to get the licensing done because we were a pharmaceutical and nutraceutical regulatory compliance consulting firm. Initially we just didn't think marijuana is going to be a real industry. We didn't take it. We did not take any business. So the first 14, 15 licenses, they all somehow circled through our team but we didn't take any of the business and were like this is not a real industry. And then, six months later did we just miss the boat and all of those companies you know, initially because they didn't have money, they didn't know what the heck was going to be in the industry. Everybody was throwing out equity like it was nothing. Can you imagine canopy Aurora initial equity hole that would have made the freaking millionth of a millionth of a millionth, you still wake up with nightmares that you had canopy.
Speaker 1:I will say this we didn't miss the boat man, but Wow, you get to participate now, I think it's pretty cool to be involved and put out some fire products. Yeah, man, and we're doing it on our own in a sense, right Like we don't have any outside investors, so nobody tells us what to do. We are doing it the way we enjoy it. We like the industry for this reason alone. Is you go to a meeting? You're drinking any smoking? Where else can you actually say that?
Speaker 2:And people being so stressful.
Speaker 1:I mean we're high and drunk half the time.
Speaker 2:Where is the stress right? We're trying to have fun. We're doing a lot of fun, I will say industry struggles.
Speaker 3:I think you've got to love this industry, because the days of making tons and tons of coin for the time being I don't think, are here right now. Hopefully in the future that's going to come back. But people are doing well, but they're not killing it out there. And if you don't love it, what are you doing in this industry? You really got to enjoy what you're doing, otherwise I don't think it's worth it. Might as well go become a banker or something.
Speaker 4:Totally agree. Hey man, I did the opposite. So here we are. I used to work at Bank of America, you used to work at Bank of America.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right on. I'll give you a little bit of background on myself.
Speaker 3:I came from advertising sales. I was working for Paterson Outdoor for like 12 years and then I was dabbling and I had a couple of buddies in the brokering space and then pandemic hit and boom out of home advertising just taint. Nobody was out anymore. So I got packaged out from my company and then right away I started brokering deals and met Raul along the way and that green gold opportunity to jump into an LP came along and I was like, yeah, let's do it. So yeah, it's been about three years, three and a half years I think now but what a industry to jump into and the learning curve is insane. Like I just can't believe how so many facets of the business are and what you've got to dial everything in. Because you've got to have everything dialed in, otherwise you're not going to put a great product. So, yeah, it's been a great learning curve and, yeah, just loving the industry, really enjoying it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You said you're an advertising girl. What do you think about the advertising laws in cannabis? Do you have any opinions on that? They're horrible.
Speaker 3:Like alcohol. You can do whatever you want. I can slap a billboard on the street. I can put a big bus advertising that flies by.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. I know why I called you from out of my crowd.
Speaker 3:Sorry to realize that but yeah, I'd like to see them change the average. I think we're slowly seeing the OCS is doing some campaigns of awareness. I think that's the first step towards possibly getting more advertising when it comes to cannabis. But yeah, the restrictions are kind of ridiculous. I really hope that they ease off a little bit. At the same time, from a small to mid-size company, it probably is to our advantage, because you got to be a little more strategic on how you market and advertise. If you had these big guys that are just spending tons of money, you would just get hit.
Speaker 3:So it's that double-edged sword. It's like, yeah, I'd like to see it open up a little bit at the same time, we're positioned pretty good right now with it the way it is.
Speaker 1:I do take the other side or the other approach to it, because I don't like the fact that industry keeps complaining about the taxes. You already know what the taxes are. That's why you chose to be in it.
Speaker 2:Stop bitching about it.
Speaker 1:That's when they work, when we got into our diet, if you can't make money on the financial model, knowing what the taxes are, don't enter the market. Stop complaining about it. Advertising same thing. I don't care about brand advertising as much. Let me tell you where advertising really makes sense for you guys. We should only allow dispensaries to actually do the marketing. Once you pull in more consumers, they're going to look at the brands and brands are going to sell. Right Again, industry is very fractured, as in what they want to achieve, it's not a simple one-way track that everybody sort of come on Until that happens, nothing is changing.
Speaker 4:That's a great point. I think that we are very fractured. We're not on the same page. Too many voices and cooks in the kitchen right, absolutely Plus they're fighting over the wrong things.
Speaker 1:Man, yeah, government. Look at Ontario. If you look at their budget, they already calculated all the excise till the end of 2024. What makes you think they're going to actually lose that money? So stop fighting on the excise, do something else.
Speaker 2:True, it's true, you know like.
Speaker 1:Tantalus, nextleaf the CEOs, and we know Paul too is a great guy. But come on, man, you knew what you were getting into. Try something else.
Speaker 2:I agree, and I think he kind of like, yeah, they kind of died on that cross, literally right, that's it.
Speaker 3:It's not going to work for you and bankrupt because of that reason.
Speaker 2:I agree with you.
Speaker 3:How, from a dispensary standpoint, how are you guys getting new customers in? Are you guys able to do anything that allows them to?
Speaker 4:New acquisition. I mean, it's tough. We know that you can do some targeted click ads. We've explored that a little bit. We get honestly solicited all the time and I just fucking throw them to the bin. But we have someone in-house that we're trying to work with. We're about to revamp a new website, change our e-com, so hopefully that'll help things out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uber's been really good for us. To be honest, we don't make as good margin on it, but how of a brand exposure?
Speaker 4:for us. Yeah, even from a marketing standpoint, you get someone who's like?
Speaker 2:oh, I know you guys, and exactly right, very nice, and so that's been interesting, just finding a way to kind of get them through that sales funnel. And that's kind of where our revamping, like Charlie said, of the website kind of comes in and just trying to make it easier Cooper.
Speaker 1:I'm going to get.
Speaker 2:Make it easier to get to the basket and check out. Just ordering direct from us 100%. Yeah, that's cut Uber out right.
Speaker 1:Actually I'll say don't cut Uber out.
Speaker 2:That's where free marketing is Honestly God, if you can play on it you can play on Uber marketing all day long.
Speaker 1:You might not be able to do that for Cosmic Charlie's Right. Don't lose the opportunity, man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is worth looking at more Like it's relatively new to us so we're still kind of figuring it out. Yeah, but yeah, it's tough, it's a little bit tricky. I think we're lucky that our brand kind of is conducive to word of mouth as well, which is hard to come by Because on the retail level a lot of people are operating on price alone.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and that's what I said when we walked in. Like your guys' menu is curated a lot better than most of the chain stores. I can tell you that. I think that's where you get people coming in and out.
Speaker 3:You guys are consumers yourself, right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we consume it. We were really like in.
Speaker 3:I'm still amazed by some owners that don't smoke it. I even LPs that don't smoke their own weeds too. It's like dude. How do you even know if it's good?
Speaker 4:It's crazy, or the reps.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I like to empathize sometimes with the reps. Sometimes you get these really young ones and I can tell they're super fresh. Just, you try to ask them about the product and they just don't know or they don't even consume. It's difficult to have a meaningful conversation with them and take them seriously. I guess True.
Speaker 1:And that's what I felt on the retail side, because a lot of the booktenders are very, very fresh. You start asking questions and they give you one answer. I'm like you know what? I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry You're in the headlight.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm like please don't. Yeah, that has been the issue. On the retail side there's a lot of turnover very quick for the booktenders.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we've heard that we're lucky. We have a great team of three ladies and another two dudes Great team here, so I couldn't be thankful more.
Speaker 3:And that probably speaks to the fact that you guys know what you're doing and it's just like you know you're Get people that are actually consumers as well, right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, you know it's a, it's a tight team and we try to look after them and exactly I think that they appreciate the level of care we put in. I hope that was that's it, man.
Speaker 1:I mean we hear horror stories. I mean hasho touched on it with. It right closing of the dispensary, nobody getting paid on their team and all that say was yeah, we do see a lot of that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm sure that's not unique to them, like it. We see we're seeing stores close all the time now, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we do have More stores than needed. I think LCBO has the right number. Hmm, about 11-1200.
Speaker 2:I think that's where the real real sweet spot is maybe 13 or 1400 tops.
Speaker 1:I kind of agree with you, I would say 12, not even more than that, because, like an LCBO is legit on every yeah, service everybody True right, we're gonna take a little break.
Speaker 4:Sheesh, that was impressive. Grab a sheesh soda right on. Come to the shop, check out the nudes, slap and subscribe. Share with your homies. Yeah, we'll be right back with walking. We are back back of the shot. Looks like I'm like the gas face.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed the gas face. It was very good. I'm feeling chatty.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what did we say? Marshmallows, hollandaise, marshmallow and hollandaise.
Speaker 2:Yeah there's a sweet, creamy Butteriness to it.
Speaker 1:I'll give it that for sure right, yeah, that to me would made me feel like it was most marshmallow when you Sort of melt in your mouth and gives you that stickiness. Like to me, that's exactly it. I don't got much holidays, but I don't get these, these taste buds.
Speaker 2:I'm not that refined man I he'll tell me things on it.
Speaker 3:I'm like wow, really like fucking amazing.
Speaker 1:That's exactly. It is a some, ali, I think we're getting so close to you. Know, you can Smell the bouquet of a wine, right? You can tell which region is from by just smelling it, without even freaking, looking at it or tasting it. You know what bouquet is our, for what region. I think same thing, we weed these days, man, there's so many intricate smells to it. You know, for me, I come from Hospitality, so I studied wine for a good year and a half, so I know what to look for. That's what I did with weed and I'm a new smoker. I started about four, four and a half years ago, right, right. So To me, that's how I look at it. So, going back to your point, you know that's what connoisseurs are looking for. I would actually say one step ahead. I think it's just a consumer segment. I think consumer our age between 30 to 50. I would say, I think if they're new to the weed, that's how you get them. Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 3:I think you got to learn about the weed too, and as you learn more about it, then you get further into. You start learning about the terpies and the taste and everything like that, and it's the same thing with wine, right? So once you start going down that road of Drinking different wines, you start to taste the different nodes and and you start enjoying things a lot more. And I think the longer I smoke weed, the more I enjoy them and and second thing the longer you drink wine or longer you smoke, we do.
Speaker 1:You want to smoke better and better.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's where you know the, the. If people are spending only certain amount, that's how we get them to a. You smoked enough, you know, try this one time and then that's how we change them. But I think it's a segment that 30 to 50 year olds man 100% I.
Speaker 4:It's interesting you say that because we kind of spoke to, well, our other half of our sponsor at Sheesh, jackie McCaskill, and she, long time buyer at LCBO, huge wine enthusiast. She mentioned a huge overlap of the connoisseur and kind of even Bringing in these products without any type of you know for I don't know anyways, and and bringing up these conversations about looking what to look for, that the bouquet and etc. And she has a book coming out I think it's called chill, a wine lovers guide to cannabis. So should be a great way to kind of bridge and teach people some things and learn along the way.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, absolutely. Man, wine, weed and some food in it, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I do that, like our industry so young and people are still really figuring out what they like and like I all the time. That's one of the things I love about bud tending. I mean, charlie, still get to jump in as having conversations with regulars and I'm just like so what do you like? And they're like I don't know what I like and I'm like okay, well, I can tell you that these curbs are gonna be more citrus and this is gonna be a little more like this and like what flavors do you like and what kind of gets you going, like what's you excited? And just kind of guiding people through that journey Can be a really beautiful thing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. I mean you're. You're exploring a person's personality at that point. I mean, you know, you can go as deep as you want, that's exactly it like you're really guiding a person to actually have a really good time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what is your intention with this and where do you want to go and like how can I help you get there Right? So I think that's really cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it gets away from just the high. Now it's about the experience and then everything in between.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I guess, like I don't understand how people smoke same strain all the time Over and over same man. I don't understand that I can do a second joint of the same turn. I'll be very honest. Like I like my mixing of strains, I like to get my brain all you know messed up and fucked up, in a sense like you're experiencing new things and different things you have to yeah, otherwise you become immune exactly.
Speaker 2:No, that's the whole point of having a stash. You have the different things, you can kind of go from one to another and kind of like mix it up. I really don't get the consumer that buys down some pink cushion really right, I just don't get it. But you know, to each their own. I guess that's what makes this cool too.
Speaker 4:It is subjective. I mean, sometimes I'm like, have you tried this gelato? It's fire like I love gelato's and yeah, no gelato. I.
Speaker 3:Know, ice cream, no gelato, you guys gonna come to a milk creek and we'll do the we got like 40 strains out that we actually show on Display and you guys can come and pick and choose what you'd like to see and good idea For like an extensive podcast.
Speaker 4:a little out, yeah you just add on like a part two, then this is a freaking.
Speaker 2:Awesome, what, what can we look forward to coming out from you guys? So anything you can tell us. And you said you had a bunch of phenos kind of fired up like I don't want to give away too much, but no, so we will give you this.
Speaker 1:In January we're dropping our jungle fire pre-roll, so that's just a similar skew, but the seven gram is being dropped. Okay, and the seven gram has two, three and a half gram bags. So that's two strains like, and our first drop will be sugar cake and PPJ. Ppj is like purple punch mixed with jungle cake. Cool man, I'm telling you the nose on that is unbelievable. And sugar cake you look at it, it's like white as frosty as it can get that's fun.
Speaker 2:So it's a variation of cakes and then you do. It is the purpose. I get like those couple of colors to the purple yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you ever see a fresh lot of gas phase come out, you open it. Yeah, that has that deep purple in it. Cool, right. So some of our strains and I like the color. So you know, darrell, can change colors when they grow like. So we can actually create a whole line was just purple weed if we wanted to right, but it's cool. Yeah, so we like the deep purple.
Speaker 2:That's a nice duality, I guess. To get the two cars You'll put them side by side and yeah, concept.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, again price comes down just a tad bit on per gram bases, right. So people that want to buy those bigger loss but on the craft side and kind of like us, don't like to smoke same straight it's for them man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Charlie, no, we're actually seeing the seven gram formats kind of picked up quite a bit. Kind of notice that you know totally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was gonna say we tried to name it to park but we just got a notice from I. Can I say yeah. It was supposed to be to park at one point, nice, you gotta try, why not?
Speaker 1:you have to write like this the first time held Canada, or we have heard on an NNCP. They came back and asked you to change the name.
Speaker 2:It was just hilarious, man Nice at least you didn't like I don't know. I've seen other brands somehow get it through. With them. They make it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it could be for sure.
Speaker 4:We were talking about this earlier but how do you guys prioritize, like your customer satisfaction and feedback? Obviously, you had a lot with the Dom Jackson brand, and then even we were talking about switching to a six pack, which I think is great for smaller retails who want to, yeah, grab some nudes packs.
Speaker 1:Again, you know we're so new to it, so anything, any feedback, you know, any thought from our retail, retail partners that we got like we're all that is Learning for us and we're changing things on the regular because of that. Like you know, our label, as you mentioned. Hey, more information would be great. I'm like, yeah, you know what, we just made that change on Friday, so any new lots coming out will have those added information, right, so we're learning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're definitely learning on the go. You know, we have had a few hookah hiccups, for sure. But, you know, hopefully we're fixing the problems quickly, learning from our mistakes and moving forward. The 24 pack with news it was a bit of a, you know, hurdle for a lot of retailers to pick up, especially as a new brand. So we switched it up, came back with a six pack we just launched into the market. So yeah, we're. You know we were new to this game too. You know, and myself I've only been a couple years, and then on the retail side, we've only been in it since Dom Jackson launched.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what I'm talking about. A year ago, yeah, yeah, a lot of learning curve.
Speaker 3:It is a bed, has been, it's been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but on the customer service and I can tell you this you know any hiccups that we've had, they have been taking care of very, very quickly, right, Um you, you don't see a lot of people still in the industry from 10, 11 years ago if they earn from legacy days. So all the people that came in the legal market made their money and got out right. For me, reputation is really, really important, so the way we approach all of our relationships is amen. This is a long-term partnership. You make money, we make money in a sense, right. So there's no fighting on. Hey, you're saying this or there's a constructive criticism, but now we know everything, we're gonna take it and we're gonna improve, and that's a simple mentality that we have at the company.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think you have to be that way. We're seeing it come around, so who goes to you guys? Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I think you mentioned you were in hospitality, right? We'll have to ask what were you doing? I mean, charlie, I have a hospitality background. I find a lot of people do that got into cannabis and just wondering if you see any similarities or what kind of things.
Speaker 1:Oh, very much so man, yeah, so when I left India right out of high school I went to Switzerland so I did my hospitality there. Then I came into US, continued. You were a chef, like back house front house.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, I was actually. You made sure you were someone man in man in man, in man in man in man in man, so you understand front of the house, back of the house, you understand housekeeping, you understand orderings and all of that.
Speaker 1:So we were learning on that level, got it, but they had again in Switzerland, so they drink a lot of wine.
Speaker 1:It's a wine course, and I'm like, yeah, you go and get your drink, let's go try it. So, yeah, no, I learned about wine there. Yeah, it was all hotel stuff that I did, but where it got really interesting was in US. I was in Boston and was working for this restaurant, this top 50 restaurant in the United States. Just that fact alone, what a cool experience. Yeah, man, you have to learn, you have to up your game, because you're talking like a shit.
Speaker 2:You've earned big money for a meal there, right? Yeah, I can't look at that.
Speaker 1:There's a 25 course freaking meal that you try and it's like $1,100, right? So of course you have to up your game. You have to know a lot of shit, right? So that knowledge had to improve. That's where I'm like okay the food, what they expect to service, the quality for the price that you pay. Same thing on wine and I think it's the same thing on weed too. Man, like people are expecting good quality, you're paying 40, 50 bucks for it. Most of the consumers don't like paying that much because they haven't gotten that consistent quality yet.
Speaker 2:right, yeah, now cannabis is an experience, and I always tell my staff here too, like, yeah, we're providing an experience. That's why we put so much into our brand and how our store presents itself. So you gotta make it memorable and make people wanna come back, and otherwise they're not going to Just like a restaurant, right? So you have that bad experience, or that budgier recommends you the wrong product and it doesn't agree with you. You're like fuck that place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, never going back. First, I had no idea what they were talking about, right? Yeah, plus, there are so many options these days, man.
Speaker 2:That's it. Yeah, that's so lit, Wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 4:Charlie, oh, absolutely Like. I kind of touched on that earlier. Just, we need to get away from just like a price standpoint, or at least anyone who's listening. I think it's important to not just operate on that Like what other value can you provide? Can you talk to the strength? Can you provide service that's beyond just here, you know?
Speaker 1:transactional.
Speaker 2:To you exactly.
Speaker 4:Yeah, move away from it. Create an industry for ourselves that's long-term and sustainable.
Speaker 1:That's it, man, and I think, if we can look at it just like I, like the form us that we've got going on in the industry, I think there's enough for everybody, but I still don't think they've done justice to it. Given first nationalized legal market, I think the seasonings, the food stuff, should have been the first one to bring out. So you make them try on a lot of things that they're already eating and consuming. You make them smoke. Sure, they're connoisseurs or the legacy guys that want to smoke, but I think they missed out on the biggest opportunity. By now, starting with smaller food items like seasonings, you got salt, whatever barbecue stuff you can have. I think those would have been perfect to start with.
Speaker 4:And salt. I like that, I like that salt, salt would be good.
Speaker 2:That's pretty simple, because you put salt on everything. Exactly that's true.
Speaker 1:If you're a responsible consumer, that's where you start. Ok, you want legalized weed. This is the only thing you have. You get them to try on everything. That's where alcohol was so fantastic.
Speaker 4:That's really funny man, there's an infused sugar.
Speaker 1:There is, yeah, yeah yeah, which is interesting, the manna brand out of Alberta they have the.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, they got the maple sugar. It was good, I liked it. I had it in the coffee. I thought it was all right, yeah, no it tasted really good. You guys mentioned that you're doing chewing gum. Do you have anything else kind of planned on the edible side?
Speaker 1:Well, we did have the ketchup, so hot sauce.
Speaker 3:Oh, salad dressing.
Speaker 2:That was you guys too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about the salad dressing earlier. We didn't know what you guys were starting.
Speaker 1:That's well canned.
Speaker 2:That's the edible side.
Speaker 3:So like well, can is run by a bunch of guys that were in the confectionary business for a number of years, so they took a lot of those products and brought them in. It's kind of two divisions, though. We focused on the drive thrower and the other side.
Speaker 2:And those guys focus on that. Yeah, exactly, yeah, that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Otherwise you just got too many conflicting.
Speaker 4:I think we're seeing a lot of brands trying to put their hands in different pots. Yeah, exactly Right now, especially as you said, we need to kind of develop and mature more. Yeah, and they're going to stretch themselves then and I think ultimately that hurts you. Oh, absolutely man.
Speaker 1:Like what we again learned from some of our retail partners is like hey, man, even if you guys aren't sales agency, if you have 30 SKUs, it looks like a freaking sales agency model, right. So after hearing that, we went to our brand partners like, hey, we don't want more than four or five, maximum six SKUs under the brand. And they all agreed. So, like you know, like small little things that we're trying to differentiate on. I think that's where the product portfolio, in a sense of innovation, comes into.
Speaker 3:I was going to say. That being said, the Wellcam box that we brought you guys has got two in the government as well. Yeah, just so after you smoke you can pop a government as well. And then you get the mentee fresh experience as well.
Speaker 4:Any of our retailer homies? Where can they reach out to you guys actually, if they ever wanted to contact you, or you know?
Speaker 3:Yeah, mike at welcanca or Raul at Welcan. Oh, you got your last name in there yeah, Raul Dodd-Rodgen at welcanca, nice.
Speaker 4:Yeah, shoot them a question. Or asking for you know, I got chewing gum For sure. Yeah, that's that chewing gum for his generation.
Speaker 2:Why not chewing?
Speaker 4:gum.
Speaker 2:Rock some chewing gum. I was going to be chewing away on the microphone.
Speaker 3:I'm looking forward to having this sesh drink, though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I think I've had one before but I never turned it upside down to get the full we love a lot for cherry juice. Yeah, that's looking good.
Speaker 2:I did have a quick question that came to mind. I noticed when I opened the bags that you guys rock a boost. Do you recommend keeping the boost when they store it after they open the bag? And did you guys choose boost over Boveda Boveda for a specific reason or do you have a preference Definitely?
Speaker 1:Like. I find Boveda mutes the terpenes for most of the product that you'll get. Jars bags doesn't matter. Boveda has a certain thing in it, I don't know. I agree with the terpenes. Yeah, boost. That's why very few brands had boost initially. Now almost out a good 60% of the Industries using boost.
Speaker 2:Because of that reason it actually makes it smell really good and for those that don't know, I'm pretty sure that is. The major difference is one is sugar based on salt?
Speaker 3:base. One yeah, one's got the salt in it.
Speaker 2:One uses sugar to keep moisture and I guess that must be what the difference in how it affects it could be, but I think Boost has a different technology where it's actually releasing and absorbing at the same time.
Speaker 1:I know Boveda was trying to do it. I don't know if.
Speaker 4:But I would agree with you. Me and Sean have always kind of had that theory. I don't think it's a bad thing per se, but, like for shelf life storage of these Package goods, I think it does kind of take something from it.
Speaker 2:Given that the supply chain is the way that it is and the OCS isn't doing cold storage as of yet. I know something I've been pushing for, but it's expensive, right.
Speaker 3:We were sold on the boost from Cigar manufacturer really Washington Street there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, yeah, interesting yeah.
Speaker 3:And they just, you know they were concerned about this, the smell. So then they went with the boost and they sold us on and we've been using it ever since so it works for their cigar business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they say it helps preserve the terpenes and whatever the tobacco is, their tobacco is and stuff Right exactly cool.
Speaker 4:Just top of mine, because I forgot to ask you earlier how are those plants looking bud?
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks, I kind of torched them with a little too many nutrients, to be honest. I flushed them with just straight water. We'll see how it turns out. They're resilient. We're like Halfway through the flowering process. I went away for the weekend and I probably shouldn't have given them that last round of newts because when I came back they looked a little curled and a little discolored, mm-hmm. But you know, hopefully I'll keep you guys posted. I'm confident that's the right move. I would say is just give them straight water, right? Yeah, try to flush.
Speaker 3:I'm not a girl, I wouldn't be able to say, yeah, I should call I'm gonna call Billy.
Speaker 2:We need to give Billy a dial and ask him.
Speaker 3:There you go yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll reach out, richard's. How long you've been growing scowling on this first girl, my first, okay, I?
Speaker 3:did an outdoor girl one time and yeah, and then I trimmed it and I spoke to it. I was like, oh, this is fucking horrible, let's go back to the fucking real stuff. You know, no, I don't know it's looking pretty good.
Speaker 2:They're starting to smell. They're starting this look pretty good. I think we're gonna. What are we gonna? Crack a sheesh right now? Oh yeah, like that one cover she's, that's our sponsor.
Speaker 4:Where can they find nudes on Instagram or social? Nudes Canada, nudes Canada. Yeah, it's Canada. Like nudes Canada. Like cosmic charlie's dot shop, like higher orbit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we come back. I'm gonna ask you to realize some. Yeah, well, I just had a good question. It's gonna take time, boys, welcome back. Thank you. The shop one more segment for an open.
Speaker 4:Quick reminder you can shoot us a question Charlie at higher orbit or Sean at higher orbit. We have a couple more rip tips, I think there's a couple more available?
Speaker 2:Yeah, upper grab. So you gotta do a sentence of questions. Shoot us a question. What's a rip tip? It's a reusable glass tip for your joints. Oh, filter, increased airflow and Pull quality. Great for like hash infused, or, yes, like are you making a donut? Yeah, like infusing. Shutout to our homey. Got a scientific, yeah, and the rip tip cool.
Speaker 4:We're back with the, the fellas from nudes. We got Raul and Mike. Where do we touch off? I'm not even stoned, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Stoned. I feel like they say that happens sometimes. Oh, I'm like a baby Do you feel like that's a new more coffee.
Speaker 3:I'm starting to get hungry, sorry, I don't know, but this fucking drink is awesome. It tastes like Dr Pepper almost. Yeah, I would say that this closet, closest taste of Approved, love it.
Speaker 4:There you go. Yeah, real Niagara cherry juice.
Speaker 1:Grab yourself a sheesh any hint of cannabis flavor in it?
Speaker 3:No, Like really most drinks out there.
Speaker 2:You can taste it, but yeah, how did the name nudes come about? Because I really like the name, but I don't know. Is it a sticking point?
Speaker 1:I might. It's next to my head. He thought it was funny. I like it and the brand and all that amen, listen, it was definitely a word play in a sense, and as soon as our sales Team went out and spoke to first few bartenders, they came back with oh my god, send nudes. That's exactly what we were trying to play on.
Speaker 3:So my but the actual name itself came from the look of the roots looking like noodles.
Speaker 2:That's why you need structure on the front. Yeah, that's where I.
Speaker 3:Came from yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what the logo is. Is actually the root just coming out?
Speaker 3:Because the actual cannabis route doesn't look too fucking cool.
Speaker 2:The color, too, is almost like a noodle color. It looks like dried noodles.
Speaker 3:Now I'm gonna think of that. I've never had that comparison but I like yeah.
Speaker 2:Yellow color of the egg yolk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were we were going with a premium feel of a gold. You got premium noodles to exactly handmade that news and news yeah, I mean that that's we're gonna be coming out with merch in the first quarter and that's our first one is the same nudes?
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, don't forget to hook up your boys. Absolutely Look forward to that. Do you guys have any collaborations in the works or anything like that, or are you pretty much do most things in house?
Speaker 1:Most of it is in house, but, you know, if the opportunity comes, yeah, man, collaboration, that's the name of the game. Okay, and not survive in the industry if you're not playing with the other boys or other people, man, you know open to it if anybody's listening.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can reach these guys that info at well, can I think?
Speaker 3:yeah, that works. You can shoot there. Or Mike at well can, rajan at well can yeah sick.
Speaker 2:Do you guys do any extracts? Concentration no.
Speaker 3:We've been thinking about coming out with some infused pre-rolls with one of the new brands for our crops. Okay, but we haven't got down that road. We do a little bit of manufacturing in house at well can with infusion we do some for a bad old brand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well.
Speaker 3:But yeah, we haven't the brands that we typically represent or not Gone that down that road yet you guys are still young.
Speaker 2:All the time like not getting your hands in too many pies before you get something figured out right taxes on concentrate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're paying on every like 50 51%. There's no reason to be in it unless you're already making money in the industry.
Speaker 3:I was doing a calculation for Sierra the other day and it was like $14 for the actual Product being sold to the OCS and actually was to Alberta and the excise was like $6.70 and I was like holy shit, man, that's crazy, concentrates hard man.
Speaker 1:But even like for us reason, we are sticking to that craft flower category because I think that's what we want to be known for is, like that, consistent quality of flower. Once people know that there's consistency in the flower, then we'll experiment with something else. You know, yeah.
Speaker 3:We'd have to find a good infusion, though, right like most of the products that I've smoked that are infusion. They're just they're too much for me. I can't handle the 40% or anything. That just hits me too hard.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just like a hash or a rosin or bubble hash. I think that that aligns well with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we find that you know, lps Tend to get into these concentrate or exciting new categories because they're new in the industry, so they don't really understand all the intricacies in the back. They're always chasing shiny things, right? We don't want to chase any things, no cares.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my biggest egg you zag.
Speaker 1:That's it, man. Yeah, you know, you stick to your lane for a little bit and people are gonna take notice at the end of the day.
Speaker 3:Right yeah, you're doing the right things, that's for sure.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely. I have a question. I guess just we were talking about it off-air. I'm Dealing with different markets, like you're in, how obviously in Ontario. Yeah, where else you across Canada? Where can we go? We have?
Speaker 1:Dom Jackson is in Quebec. That's one of our brands In a Quebec, yes, nice, so we do have Saskatchewan and Manitoba for Nudes and Faro crops. We are hopefully trying to get into Alberta. We should be hearing back from them in the next couple of weeks. And no, what's going to show? We just did so.
Speaker 4:we are looking at pan-Canada man.
Speaker 1:We are gonna be in the Northwest and territories you know none of it and all that like we're going everywhere, we want to go everywhere.
Speaker 3:We just like Nudes just got into Manitoba and Saskatchewan, like we just like literally just launched by this week.
Speaker 4:That's amazing. It's kind of a broad question, but how's it like dealing with the different provincial wholesalers, like who's your favorite, what are I mean? That's a big, big one.
Speaker 1:But I'll be honest, I do most of the dealing with promises and all of them have been great man, I have not a single.
Speaker 3:He really likes the OCS.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. They respond quick. You know they're very, very helpful. They provide as much information as you need. It's just they all want the listing process. However, they all ask for a different thing. That's the annoying part. Like you know, alberta, they want pallet waste. How many lines across, how many lines on top? Like you haven't even given us a listing, why are you making us do all the work? They want empty master case weights already given to them. You know all of that.
Speaker 2:Like come on.
Speaker 3:Give me the listing first, then I'll do it work. But I guess you know they want to make sure that you're doing the work up front, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's the only issue I have with the provinces. But so far, yeah, man, everybody's been great. You know, it's just if they were doing it at the same time with the same information just makes life so much easier. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4:So do you think that they could benefit maybe from kind of working together a little bit more and maybe, like, just aligning their SOPs and procedures? Yeah, like 100%, like I know they're obviously they're all different and different provinces need different things.
Speaker 3:But yeah, there is a standardized process that you could just give information from one province to the other. You would think they would all be looking for the same thing. Yeah, I guess it's just the way that the different networks are set up, though. Right, you can come back.
Speaker 1:It's all privately owned or government owned, I mean right.
Speaker 3:So it's all kind of a production aspect, but it's just one place you need to ship to, whereas in, like the Saskatchewan, you got to ship either to a distributor or you got to ship to all the actual the raspberries, the raspberries. Yeah, I think it's, so I can see how that makes a difference.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you would think that, like it would be as simple as like a meeting a year or two, so it's not like rocket science, that's true. Yeah, they should all get together and like do they do that? I don't even know All the provinces get together and talk about cannabis.
Speaker 3:I think that's what we need to get more awarenesses on is under the upper level of like the provincial side of things and political side of things as well, because cannabis just doesn't have a voice out there we don't get as much bull as any of the other.
Speaker 2:No, we're paying a lot of money to the government, we're too fragmented man.
Speaker 1:We have so many lobby groups that don't actually have alignment in their directions. I'm like again, you guys are going after the wrong thing. Nobody likes to give a power once they have it. It's the simple fact of life. So stop asking for it. Just ask for something else.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to flex my activism muscles, as actually just asked to be a board member at Normal Canada. Oh yeah, okay, so that'll be fun, and no, currently I'm going to push it right now. If you want to sign, I will put it up. But they're petitioning to have the milligram limit raised from 10 to 100. And I heard that, like most people, it's out of the question with Health Canada. But for my understanding, normal is basically cutting Health Canada out and they're like we'll just get the politicians to put it in the fucking power, right, we don't need fucking Health Canada. So that's kind of where we're at. I will find out on how you guys can sign the petition. I will let you know.
Speaker 1:I think I think I already have. No, it's the first time I've heard of it. Is that for edibles? It's for edibles.
Speaker 2:I saw them.
Speaker 4:They posted that on LinkedIn. I believe LinkedIn Reddit everywhere.
Speaker 2:But we do need to be less fragmented and hopefully kind of just push all of our agenda forward a little bit more, because every other industry does.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%. And you can't cut out Health Canada. That's a wrong premise to begin with. My friend, you just can't do it.
Speaker 2:You're going to need the fucking sign. I know I shouldn't have said that I'm on the naughty list now, for sure, man, uh-oh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, unfortunately, I think that's one. I don't know if it's going to change. Maybe, like you, should work in compliance. It's not happening, man.
Speaker 1:The model that Health Canada looked at was Colorado, and if you guys do a little bit of research, you'll see first, two years, emergency room visits by kids in their early teens increased by 380%. All because of edibles, right? Yeah, chocolate gummies. They just popped it in, didn't know what happened, right? That's why Health Canada will never allow it. So stop fighting it, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess there's a move around the concentrates now to allow you to put more than 10 milligrams per package in there, right Like?
Speaker 4:I think that's what the there's some leniency, like I just actually saw, they're re-releasing the jolts at us. It seems like they'll kind of give and take a little bit, or mostly just not take away.
Speaker 3:I don't know 10 milligrams per piece makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yes, anything more than that? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't see that and you do risk. You know, like these 50, 100 milligram edibles, that you can get in the gray market like they're crazy yeah. You take one of those and you're fucking rock out and knock yourself out Plus man, it's all digestive system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some people it doesn't work for.
Speaker 4:Like you don't know what. That's why I don't try it it doesn't work for me whatsoever.
Speaker 1:I don't want to be like three hours in a drive and somewhere and boom. All of this I don't want to hide.
Speaker 3:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't want to feel that.
Speaker 3:You know, babe, that's my problem.
Speaker 1:I don't want to get out of bed.
Speaker 3:I just want to fucking lie there and like, oh, can't do it.
Speaker 4:Yes, quickly. Since we are on the topic of health, I will remind everyone it's November, it's men's mental health and general health month. Get yourself checked out. Be an advocate for your own health. Check in on a friend it could be a man, woman, whatever however they identify. Just you know, know there's other people and stuff out there.
Speaker 2:Life's hard, yeah, everyone's struggling. It's okay. I think it's a good shout out.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Just a communication man. That's all it is. Yeah, just being able to talk, that's all it is yeah, be real and honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did have one thought. There is a lobbying group. We forgot to mention C3 and George Smitherman. So shout out George, maybe we'll have him on the show or something. Maybe I'll reach out to him to an ask. Yeah, but they are doing good work. Grass in the hill, I think just happened and, you know, still in a tendency where I'll try to figure out a way to lobby for everybody and we'll get there eventually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I think another couple of years before everybody sort of starts aligning, you know yeah.
Speaker 4:Totally agree. Ro Back on the topic of, I guess, nudes and some of the fire weed you're growing. Can you speak to, like, I guess, some of the processes that you guys might use to make sure that your weeds fire?
Speaker 1:We don't put out anything that we wouldn't smoke.
Speaker 3:It's a simple fact of it, man yeah. And I just say the trimming like everything from the growing, like facility that you go through, like the cleanliness, everything there, to the trimming to the packaging. You know we have everybody following certain guidelines to make sure that you know we're putting out the best product that we can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no unnecessary touches on the plants if it's not required right.
Speaker 1:All of our fertilization. You know our nutrients all of that is AI-based right. So even if Gro is not there, he's looking at it right, so he's on top of it at all times. Trimming I love our trimming. I think nobody else does a better job at trimming. You take our nugs. You can't find a single leaf right. Really proud of that. Manufacturing production like we do everything by hand man. So you know pre-rolls is a big thing for us, I think, like they look great, the Dutch crop, I love it. They don't burn man.
Speaker 1:We have the biggest grind size in the industry, biggest we have a custom grinder, that we had an aerospace like engineer design and build design.
Speaker 3:So when it whips the cannabis it whips it at an angle that doesn't you know. Try to damage the terpenes as little as possible and, like Raul said, it's a bigger grind size. So, we, you know, pack it, you know we hand pack it and everything. So, yeah, our pre-rolls it's taken us a couple years to perfect it, but it's at the point where things are looking good.
Speaker 1:I will say they smell good too, which is like a hard thing to pull off, exactly, and the biggest issue that I have with pre-rolls is you know, most of it is done by fully automated equipment these days and their grind size is almost like key flake. They always claw they always canoe and run Most of the pre-rolls that we try. If it's not ours, we're definitely throwing them out halfway.
Speaker 2:Definitely he's spent so much money on these fucking pre-rolls. They're expensive.
Speaker 3:It's a rare find to find a pre-roll that lives up to the same standards that we have out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for people that don't know. I have heard that I had somebody that came to my store and I figured he was one of the guys that I realized I think those are the people that made the real money. But he was like I sold like 10 of these rolling machines. He said that price tag was $640,000.
Speaker 3:Like $640,000. Depending on which one you're buying. We looked at them for a while.
Speaker 1:Pre-roller is the big one that all the big guys use, and that's like $450,000. Wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think the one that if you can do infusion in there, it's like $600,000. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Any cigarette style. That equipment is $900,000 plus.
Speaker 1:There you go, Wow, and companies still trying to buy those machines. I'm like why? Because this product is always going to be value. You cannot make that product premium.
Speaker 3:Just a recovery on your investment is decades away. It's dry can as they got to put in there to pack it properly for the smoke Super dry too.
Speaker 4:I've always seen it it ruins the whole smoke experience.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, like Redican really nailed it because they were the first to market. They've already probably accumulated it and they're the original and anybody chasing that could lock it 100%.
Speaker 1:men actually tried it. Look at the company. Then we have those Oja guys coming up with some Kelly Slims, kelly Slims.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what else? Organogram Pinners, I think, or maybe I'm wrong, but they have a punch now. Yeah, pinners are oh, but pinners are little pinners.
Speaker 2:They're not actually the cigarette stuff. They're not little darts, they're not. I thought they were.
Speaker 4:No, they're like a little quarter gram or.3J, which I can appreciate, because sometimes you just don't want to get that high.
Speaker 3:From a production standpoint it sucks, though I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:The smaller, the thinner, the worse they get.
Speaker 1:I find myself now, man, I can't even look at those small ones, because by the time you burn it, the smoke is gone. I don't feel anything like that gas phase we were smoking Now. I'm right now completely sober, in a sense. Right, you need those big ones If you want that consumer that spends a lot on a consistent basis. They will never appreciate those small ones.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a different segment. Absolutely. I would agree with you there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think what we still have some time. We're going to call the she Shot line quickly. All right, let's do it. She Shot line why not Right on? High from nudes. High from nudes. We got to wait for a pause. I'll give you guys the signal, or whatever. This is weird.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we fucking out every single time.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man, really excited, we got you guys on man. This was a real blast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when we can do the next one at Mill Creek and take you on a little tour. That would be cool.
Speaker 4:I think Mill Creek would love to see you guys. I've been on a tour in a long time, yeah, and you guys want to go.
Speaker 3:Thanks for calling the she Shot line. Are you stone Press zero and tell us about it? Matter of fact, tell us whatever. Just hash it out. You might end up on our Instagram. Shesh Leave a message at the top oh shit, she's what's going. Hey, shit, she's what's going on. I got the beep there. I just checked out your newest hash soda. This fucking stuff is awesome Way go.
Speaker 3:Chillin on the cosmic Charlie show right now and we are having a blast Nudes in the house and we want to say send nudes with the sea shesh to anybody's front door. Yeah, and they're going to have a fucking good nudes shesh time.
Speaker 2:I love it. Mike, that was great, and don't forget that we were thinking a gas face. One suggestion at the end of gas face Mountain Dew style drink We'll get you zaps. We'll get you zaps, trust me, it's got the CVV in there, yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe that'll be your first collaboration. Yes man, absolutely, let's go.
Speaker 2:That was awesome, boys Awesome.
Speaker 4:Yeah, all right. Check out nudes Faro crops.
Speaker 2:Tom Jackson Bam Bomb boy, I just go. I think Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Bomb boy, I just go and Raoul and Mike Thanks for being on the show. Thanks for having us guys Looking forward to the next plazor.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Until next time. Thanks for being on the show, thanks for having us guys Grig elect. Basically that's it.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Until next time on higher orbit. Like and subscribe. I'll see you later guys.
Speaker 1:Thank you for watching it. Hey guys, thanks for structural.
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